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A bit of an update here... starting to move through the basal brachiosaurs. Atlasaurus is done and a few others in the works. After that it's back to Forgotten Giants.

The poached fossils busted by the U.S. customs are on their way back to Mongolia...  [link] ...to think that a complete Tarbosaurus almost was lost to science forever. And all you reporters, let's stop calling it "Tyrannosaurus", that only confuses people. It's obvious to hair-splitting paleontologists that they mean T. bataar, not T. rex, and we could discuss the merits of lumping versus splitting forever. But the rest of the world "Tyrannosaurus" implies "T. rex" so to avoid confusion just call the Mongolian fossils Tarbosaurus. One genus doesn't normally traverse two continents anyway, and even the juveniles of both species don't look the same, let alone the adults.

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:iconpaleo-reptiles:
There is a new version of my Dimorphodon:
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Best wishes for you and your family, Amin
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:iconbrolyeuphyfusion9500:
What is the best dinosaur in your opinion to use as a base for restoring Amphicoelias?

Is Haplocanthosaurus a good base for Amphicoelias' proportions?
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~Paleo-King 4 days ago  Professional Traditional Artist
No, Haplocanthosaurus isn't even a diplodocoid. It's anatomically much closer to brachiosauridae (though that doesn't make it a true brachiosaur by any means either).

Amphicoelias in my view looked like Diplodocus, only with longer arms (more primitive diplodocoidea). Now I'm talking about Amphicoelias altus of course. A. fragillimus may have been from a different genus for all we know, but assuming it wasn't, follow the same proportions.
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:iconbrolyeuphyfusion9500:
Ummm, Haplocanthosaurus is probably a basal member of Diplodocoidea...

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Here's what it says:

"Diplodocoidea includes some of the first well-known sauropod dinosaurs, including such late 19th century and early 20th century discoveries as Apatosaurus, Diplodocus, and Dicraeosaurus. As a consequence of their long history of study, the basic set of suprageneric diplodocoid interrelationships is well resolved, and the diagnostic features of each genus are well established. However, intergeneric relationships are less resolved, including the relationships of putatively basal taxa like Amphicoelias and Haplocanthosaurus, the flagellicaudatan Suuwassea, and the highly specialized rebbachisaurids. For the rebbachisaurids, this uncertainty is coupled with a recent surge in the discovery of new taxa. Comparative cladistic methods demonstrate that character and taxon sampling need to be improved before greater phylogenetic resolution can be expected. Here, I present a new phylogenetic analysis that resolves many of the outstanding questions regarding the relationships within Diplodocoidea and examines palaeobiogeographical trends within the group. Suuwassea is recovered as a basal dicraeosaurid (the only Laurasian member of the group), and two distinct clades of rebbachisaurids are identified: a group closely allied with Nigersaurus and a clade associated with Limaysaurus. Amphicoelias, Amazonsaurus, and Haplocanthosaurus are provisionally placed as successively less-derived taxa at the base of Diplodocoidea. A North American origin for Diplodocoidea and Flagellicaudata is hypothesized based on the geographical and temporal distribution of those taxa. Rebbachisaurid taxa demonstrate a South American/African vicariance pattern, but the timing of the event pre-dates the proposed final rifting of those continents by c. 40 million years; the meaning of this discrepancy is uncertain."

Also this: [link]

One of the possible placements for Haplocanthosaurus(No. 3 to be exact) places it as a basal diplodocoidean.


And the only phylogenetic analysis done on Amphicoelias placed it outside Flagellicaudata.

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(Image is from the theropoda blogspot by Cau)
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~Paleo-King 1 day ago  Professional Traditional Artist
There is a theory to that effect but I don't buy it. A cladistic analysis is only as good as its characters, and Haplocanthosaurus has many that don't match anything known in Diplodocoidea. Fowler and co. came out with a paper recently that claims Haplocanthosaurus is a juvenile of Suwassea or one of the diplodocid species, which is flat-out false in my book. Far too many changes would have to take place to make it an ontogenic stage of any known diplodocoid, particularly the lack or bifurcation in any of the spines.

Now I know that Rebbachisauridae have single neck spines but the body and hips are quite different from Haplocanthosaurus, not to mention the tail. Oddly enough the tails of rebbachisaurs like Nigersaurus are restored with whip-ends despite being outside of flagellicaudata. So then either this puts Haplo outside of diplodocoidea, or flagellicaudata is a pointless designation, or the rebbachisaur tails were really not whip-ended and more like Haplocanthosaurus.

The simple truth is that Rebbachisaurus doesn't fit comfortably anywhere in neosauropoda but clearly it is not more basal than the base of neosauropoda. The unsplit neural spines may or may not point to a proto-brachiosaur affinity (my best guess is no, since Atlasaurus and other basal brachiosaurs or brachiosaur cousins have some bifid neural spines, so the trait may have appeared and been lost several times in neosauropoda). However the sacrum of Haplo is definitely more like a brachiosaur than a diplodocid, and the sacrum is often the most diagnostic piece of a sauropod you can find. There's very little incidence of convergent evolution or secondary re-evolution/loss of traits in sauropod sacrum structure. If the sacrum were known for Volkheimeria, Lapparentosaurus, or ?Bothriospondylus? madagascariensis, it would probably resemble Haplocanthosaurus.

As for Amphicoelias... that's more of a mystery since A. fragillimus is gone (and may not have even been correctly illustrated) and A. altus is not very complete. However one phylogenetic analysis is not enough to give a final verdict (heck, every analysis done on titanosauria seemingly disagrees with all the others!) and cladistics is only as good as the data you use. It's very easy to have a computer program misinterpret convergence as immediate common descent, and many papers even enter characters that are non-existent or improperly described (this appears to be a much bigger problem with sauropod research than with any other group). Whatever Amphicoelias was, it definitely was not very much like Haplocanthosaurus.
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:iconcarcharodontotitan:
Did you see Scott Hartman's latest skeletal reconstruction of Alamosaurus? It looks like it could easily be a Lognkosaur; it looks very similar to Futalognkosaurus.
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~Paleo-King May 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes and no... the only part that looks like Futalognkosaurus is the neck spines. But the rest of the neck is rather differet, as is the rest of the body. The general proportions are similar to Futalognkosaurus, but then again the proportions of other lognkosaurs were not all the same.

Alamosaurus resembles Futalognkosaurus mainly as a case of convergent evolution. Some lognkosaurs don't look anything like Alamosaurus - what makes a lognkosaur is the specific characters in the bones, not the general shape of the skeleton as observed from a distance. Mendozasaurus is clearly a lognkosaur from the characters, and so is Puertasaurus. But they don't look much like Futalognkosaurus (or each other for that matter).

So probably members of every titanosaur group diversified into the same diverse niches and converged with each other. Nemegtosaurs like Alamosaurus converged on Futalognkosaurus.... and on euhelopodids and brachiosaurs to a lesser extent. Even some antarctosaurs like Isisaurus and Rocasaurus seem to have copied the Futalognkosaurus neck plan... while others like Ampelosaurus steered clear of tall spines or super long necks, and went in a much more saltasaur-like direction.
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:iconcarcharodontotitan:
Ah, OK. Thanks! Was Alamosaurus as fat as Puertasaurus or Ruyangosaurus? Maybe even as much as Opisthocoelicaudia?
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~Paleo-King May 15, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Possibly. Opisthocoelicaudia may actually not be as fat as Ruyangosaurus or Puertasaurus. Restoring titanosaurs is tricky, even those with complete ribs. I suspect Alamosaurus was very wide, judging by its dorsals and how squat Rapetosaurus is. However some of its close cousins like Huabeisaurus and Jiangshanosaurus don't appear to be very wide. My best guess would be rib cage proportions similar to Futalognkosaurus, but maybe not as extreme as Puertasaurus.
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:iconpaleo-reptiles:
wallpapers of Skeleton:

Gregory Scott Paul (24 December 1954)

Euoplocephalus:
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Pinacosaurus:
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Sauropleta:
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Gastonia:
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Best regards, Amin
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