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If you want to use it for reference or derivative works, just ask. Seriously, I don't bite... at least not when people actually have the common sense to ask me first.

It's not that hard. I've permitted many artists to use my work for reference when they had the common courtesy to ask the artist himself. And guess what? Since they were honest and respectful from the very start, many of them are now good friends of mine. In the financial services/real estate biz, they have a very useful rule-of-thumb for all rookie investors: "know before you owe".
Well in our case as artists, the equivalent maxim is "ask before using". And if you happen to forget that, then PLEASE pay attention here : either credit copyrighted work or take it down when notified by the original artist, whichever option the artist prefers.
Once you're notified, ignorance is no longer a valid excuse.

It's a simple rule for life, really. SHOW respect to GET respect.
If you truly like my work and want to use it, first ask if I'm okay with your proposed use of it.
If you can't even do that much, you're actually disrespecting both the artist and his work.

And when in doubt... assume that it IS copyrighted. That's exactly what I did for "Lunch Strikes Back" - I contacted the creator of the original work and got his permission before making my version. Had he withheld his permission I would NOT have gone ahead with my derivative version. And I gave him credit. So I make it no secret that I do indeed "practice what I preach".

  Lunch Strikes Back - FULL SIZE by Paleo-King

And when an artist notifies you that you are using their work without their permission, please take the hint. Don't be a "special snowflake" crybully who thinks he/she/it can "do no wrong". Don't act like you can fool me or fool other artists - we do actually know what our work looks like. Simply give us proper credit, or, if that is somehow too "wounding" to your "pride", then just do yourself and everyone else a colossal Puertasaurus-sized favor, and take down the image altogether. You really want respect from us? Don't escalate things when you KNOW you're in the wrong. Don't try to "justify" theft. Don't be a mendacious jerk-in-denial and ruin the art business (whatever niche you are in) for all the honest hardworking people out there. Don't be that loser.

In other words, don't be like the guy in this story:  The mess inside Asuma17's headtime for the whole community here to know about the complete shittery that is going on with :iconAsuma17:, a brick-brained imbecile who has taken him being "harassed" to a whole new level. To provide some backstory, Asuma17 decided to steal and distort good artwork by people such as Nima Sassani and Scott Hartman, and then claim the work as his own. To combat this, myself and others who were friends decided to join up and inform Asuma every time he blatantly stole someones artwork. Asuma began to call us the "paleo-nazis" to try to give us a bad name, while we commented on the inaccuraries of his work, including his stolen art. About 2 months ago we decided to create a DA group called the Paleo-Nazis, lead by Nima, which I am in. Some discussions have been started recently that include myself, such as the one shown below. Beware, I do use strong language, because I have great reason to.

I think its time to call upon EVERY SINGLE DECENT PERSON here t



King out. Thank you for listening.
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bricksmashtv Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Jdailey1991 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
Okay, now I am officially scared.
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GreekRandomness Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
Wouldn't it be a Barosaurus or Amphiocoelia-sized favor? :D
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Well I was going for volume and mass, not length. :XD:

Even the SV-POW's alleged uber-Barosaurus loses bigtime there. Amphicoelias may not have exceeded Puertasauurs much in length either... Zach Armstrong makes a pretty convincing case that the giant vertebra has more traits in common with rebbachisaurs than true diplodocids - which means a short neck and a modestly short (by diplodocoid standards) tail. Plus even the bone's size when complete has been overestimated.
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GreekRandomness Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
Ah I gotcha, I'm much more accustomed to using length and height rather than volume and mass. XD It would probably benefit me to learn.
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I used to be obsessed with length myself... and height.... until I found out about Argentinosaurus in the late 90s and its been all about mass from then. Consider that Giraffatitan in Berlin... it's about 15 feet shorter in total length than the Diplodocus cast next to it, but 3 times the volume and hence 3 times the mass (assuming similar average density). It towers over the Diplodocus, even if you ignore the necks. HUGE torso. It's all 'bout that bass.
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GreekRandomness Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2016
Wow. Oh and yes, Brick is in the project that we would like to use your skel for. 
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ForbiddenParadise64 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
His claims about Chubut/Toast are also complete bogus. He failed at basic mathematics and refused to acknowledge, while also constructing strawmen views of others' arguments by ignoring their content. For example he insists that Chubut, Argentinosaurus and Apatosaurus couldn't raise their heads above their shoulders

Has any plausible estimates for an adult Toast been constructed other than the popular museum one?
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Edited Nov 8, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
It's the Chubut Monster. I don't even call it toast. IMO, toast is a pretty stupid name for a record-size titanosaur. That's like calling a steel factory a toaster. :P

In fact the name "toast" isn't even legit - it's only a misinterpretation (by some silly fanboy, no doubt) of AMNH's event "Toast the Titanosaur", where "toast" was not even a noun, but a verb (i.e. to make a toast to this amazing giant) used in the context of a cocktail party event (and accompanying podcast) to mark the exhibit's opening. soundcloud.com/amnh/toast-the-…; AMNH still officially calls it just "the Titanosaur".

BTW even the podcast has some mistakes (though it NEVER calls the specimen "toast" or any other nickname)... in it, Diego Pol claims there are only three titanosaur species known from skull material and that all three are elongated skulls, hence they reconstructed the Chubut Monster with such a skull. I can name Malawisaurus (definitely NOT an elongated skull), Antarctosaurus, Ampelosaurus, Bonitasaura (three not-so-elongated skulls), and Nemegtosaurus, Quaesitosaurus, Rapetosaurus (ok these are elongated)... that's 7 titanosaurs with skull material there, the majority of which are not elongated skulls.... not counting the many more undescribed braincases and a few isolated dentaries.

So that said, the Chubut Monster is probably in the same size range as the known specimens of Argentinosaurus, Puertasaurus, and the Mexican "Alamosaurus" (and perhaps the cervical found by Fowler & Sullivan). These animals were all around 110-125 feet long. If I was to guess, I'd say when correctly restored (NOT how the museum did it) the Chubut Monster would resemble Futalognkosaurus or Puertasaurus in proportions, including the torso. The AMNH mount's speculative ribs are restored far too straight for the ilia to match. This animal had a wider rib cage. So basically imagine the biggest individual from the site (represented by the giant femur on the forklift pallet with Pablo Puerta for scale) being about the same size as Puertasaurus in my restoration, give or take a few meters and tons.
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ForbiddenParadise64 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
Ah so it does seem to be a giant from what we can guess. And the nickname suddenly becomes invalid. Couldn't they just give it a scientific name at some point? Same with a proper name for "Sibirosaurus" (the one with star shaped vertebrae). It does seem to be Longkosaurian without a doubt though.

What would you say regarding the giant diplodocids being proposed recently, such as the giant Barosaurus specimen or the revelation that all our Apatosaurus specimens are subadult (the Oklahoma specimen has infused cervical ribs, which may indicate it was less than half the mass of an adult)?
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bricksmashtv Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I made a skeletal for it based on Lognkosaurian positions (as the abstract stated it was recovered with them in phylogenetic analyses) and I got 30-34m, depending on whether the 2.4 or 2.6m femur estimate is accurate.
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ForbiddenParadise64 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
I really like it, and it's amazing how much of it we actually know. Is there any consensus on whether it rivals Puertosaurus or surpasses Argentinosaurus among titanosaurs. It's just it varies so much depending on where you look.
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bricksmashtv Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It varies depending on proportions you assume for each genus, etc. (if you use Hartman's Puerta Toast is bigger, if you use Nima's it's smaller, etc.).
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ForbiddenParadise64 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2016
And for Chubut, it does seem to be similar to Futalongkosaurus in most ways so that helps with h estimating proportions. Randomdinos estimates it at smaller than Puerto or Alamo but more than Argen, as does much of the web. Nima estimated it similar to Puerto give or take a few metres and/or tonnes (he argued the museum mount has too thin a rib cage and thus not enough volume). 17m neck Barosaurus seems to take the lead but it's hard to say conclusively yet. Until NTE discoveries come of course.
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bricksmashtv Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
For mine it's larger or smaller than Puerta, Argentino, or Alamo, depending on whether the 2.4 or 2.6m femur length is more accurate. I do agree it would be similar in size to Puerta, just how big is Puerta is the question XD.

Yes 17m neck Barosaurus should scale to around 45-56m according to Mike Taylor (depending on what position the vert actually is), so it would be the biggest in terms of length, and 70-138 tonnes in weight, so potentially the largest as well.
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ForbiddenParadise64 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2016
Yeah I was the L guy in those comments 😏. It mainly assumes isometric scaling of course, but they're the best we currently have. One on hand, large sauropods have proportionally longer necks, but in the other hand, large animals have more robust bodies, so it could go either way. It could be less than 60 or more than 150 if you take into account those ranges. The 51m (Taylor was wrong about claiming 25m is the AMNH's length, in reality it's 25.5m) and 100 tonne estimate seems the best for now. Whatever way you look at it, it's a colossus. It was bigger compared to a modern elephant than an elephant is compared to a cow.

Another contender is Apatosaurus I think. A hypothetical adult wold be at minimum double the mass of the Oklahoma specimen.
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bricksmashtv Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The hypothetical adult (I did some quick scaling for it a while ago) would be 25% longer than the OMNH specimens (which are 32.8m when I scaled them), and the hypothetical adult would be 41m and probably at least 100 tonnes (depending on how much the OMNH specimens weigh).
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